Friday, July 22, 2005

Comments About Comments

I know I don't post enough about American Football, but thankfully, Xui and Ariel (who use their own blogs to discuss music, tennis, and comic books) have taken up a discussion about the topic that anyone can follow.

16 Added Something:

Anonymous Chuy (aka xui) quipped...

Thank u K, for opening up a safe space for the discussion of football on your blog. Often, I feel like I can't discuss football on your site. Mostly, I guess this is because you never address it. It's really great that you have recognized this need among your readership.

Since you brought it up, I just want to mention that the Mannings (Peyton = super star quarterback for the Colts and Eli = emerging QB for the Giants) are the best thing to happen to football since the Packers won the Superbowl in 1997. They are to football what the Williams sisters are to tennis, except the Mannings are men, white and play football instead of tennis. The Williams Sister wear crazier, and sometimes sexier, outfits. Although Peyton look aight in his tight, tight uniform.

Friday, July 22, 2005 10:17:00 AM  
Blogger Johnya quipped...

The Packers winning in '97 was really nothing more than a fortuitous turn of events. They weren't a very good team. They simply benefited from the aging of the REAL teams of the 1990's (SF, Dallas, Miami, and Buffalo). As for the Manning stuff...I'll buy it.

Saturday, July 23, 2005 12:09:00 AM  
Blogger hostile17 quipped...

Peyton Manning exciting? Well, he definately has skill but he doesn't really excite me, it's like he's a piece of a well oiled offensive machine. OK so I give him props for breaking Marino's record, but it wasn't going to last forever. Montana leading the 49ers back from a defecit after it looked like the Bengals had closed them out in Super Bowl XXIII that was exciting stuff! I give Favre more credit because he has won with bad teams. Let's see what Manning does with a bad team. Then I will be impressed.

Saturday, July 23, 2005 2:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Chuy quipped...

Fortuitous my ass, you can say that about almost half the teams that have won the Superbowl in the last ten years. While they didn't win, the "not-so-good" Packers managed to end up in the Superbowl AGAIN the following year. Besides, I was really speaking as a Packers fan.

Manning is exciting to watch...he's not the only exciting player to watch, but he's definitely one of them. I am confident that the coming year will bring much exciting play by both Mannings (esp. Peyton).

Saturday, July 23, 2005 2:48:00 PM  
Blogger Kathy quipped...

Chu, 'member that Super Bowl party we had when the Packers lost to Denver? I bet on Denver and totally rubbed it in your face?

Saturday, July 23, 2005 7:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Chuy quipped...

K, thanks for bringing that up. It was one of the saddest and most depressing days of my life. You rubbing it in only intensified those feelings.

Oh, and I remember Kyle rubbing it in my face too. I wanted to punch him in the face.

Saturday, July 23, 2005 10:55:00 PM  
Blogger Johnya quipped...

Chuy, Chuy, Chuy...

I've listened to too many Packer fans ramble on an on about the glory days when Green Bay ruled the league (what's that like, 50 years ago?). Now it seems that everyone is trying to compare GB's luck in the 1996-'97 and 1997-'98 seasons with the past.

Green Bay's title came in a season when 1) Steve Young and Jerry Rice were in-and-out of games with major injuries. 2) Dallas was reeling from Jerry Jones bad decision to hire Barry Switzer. 3) Dan Marino was having to rely on the leagues WORST running game (remember Bernie Parmalee?) 4) Jim Kelly was ending his career in Buffalo.

Green Bay only had to beat Carolina (a team that was only in its second year of existence) in order to make the Superbowl.

As for 1997-'98...I guess you could call losing the Superbowl a sign of greatness.

Saturday, July 23, 2005 11:17:00 PM  
Blogger hostile17 quipped...

The Packers also benefit from having to play in the weak NFC North division every year where they are almost guaranteed two wins against the hapless Lions. Their other major competition? That powerhouse team known as the Chicago Bears (yawn) and the jekyll and hyde Vikings who recently lost Randy Moss (their best offensive weapon) to Oakland. Still the Pack should squeak out another .500 season to win yet another division title.

Sunday, July 24, 2005 4:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Chuy quipped...

Attempts to discredit the Packers are futile, you are wasting your time. Johnya can go on and on about how they were lucky and H17 can go on about a weak division, this doesn't change the fact they've had a winning season, EVERY year, since 1992. That does not sound like a lucky or fluke team. Last year they had the NFLs 3rd best offense. Oh, and they also have one of the greatest QBs of ALL TIME. This is not a fluke team, this is a consistenly good team. Besides, my love is blind, you're wasting your time with your 'facts' about the Packers.

Monday, July 25, 2005 11:31:00 AM  
Blogger hostile17 quipped...

The Packers' having 13 winning seasons since 1992 looks impressive on paper, but consider how many titles did they win in that span? one? It is a deceptive stat when you also consider their division opponents' cummulative records in that same time span, I haven't done the math but I doubt the Lions/Vikings/Bears were over .500 in the majority of those seasons. I give them props for their 1997 title season and for reaching the championship game back to back to back in the early 90s, and granted Brett is still one of the elite QBs in football, but who are they grooming for the future, once their future hall of fame QB is done, I think the Pack is in trouble. Swiss cheese time in Wisconsin.

Monday, July 25, 2005 6:46:00 PM  
Blogger Johnya quipped...

Green Bay doesn't have a winning record for one of the years you listed. The Packers finished the 1999 season at .500 (remember Ray Rhodes?)

I think H17 makes an important point about the level of competition faced by the Packers from within their own division. It isn't hard to have a winning record when you are almost handed 6 wins per season!

I'm not saying that GB doesn't have or hasn't had GOOD teams. I just don't see them as being remembered as something SPECIAL. They did have the best team in 1997. I just don't believe that they really compare favorably with...New England's current team; Dallas, Buffalo, Miami or SF of the early 90's; SF, NY, Chicago, or Washington of the 80's; or Pittsburg, Oakland, or Miami of the 70's.

Monday, July 25, 2005 10:20:00 PM  
Blogger hostile17 quipped...

Well to be fair, almost no team compares favorably to the teams Pittsburgh fielded in the 1970s with a future hall of famer in almost every defensive position.

Monday, July 25, 2005 10:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Chuy quipped...

Y'all need to stop hatin' on the Pack. Let me just say the Pack may not be special to Johnya or H17, but they are to me and millions more. Y'all can keep hatin' 'till your blue in the face, don't change a thing for me and my love for the Pack.

Johnya, fine, I should have said they haven't had a losing season since 1992. Still impressive.

Granted, I don't see much a future without Favre...but who knows? As for the weak division argument, I can see some truth in that line but then can you say that it's been a weak division since 1992? Each year is different, teams change, and one only has to look at any given Sunday to see that teams upset teams ALL the time.

In any case, like I said, these arguments ain't gonna change a thing.

What I am sure we all can agree on is looking forward to the opening day of football season this year. I can hardly wait...

Monday, July 25, 2005 10:42:00 PM  
Blogger RV3 quipped...

H17 loves to hate! Just the other day he was commenting in one of my blogs that I was trying to make him puke. H17, next time I see you, I'm gonna give you a big hug. You need one...
BTW, I love the Rams, because I dig the colors in their uniform.

Tuesday, July 26, 2005 9:32:00 AM  
Blogger Johnya quipped...

There's no hate in me, Chuy. I'm all about the love!

I never said the 'Pack was bad, or that they were evil people. I just don't worship them like some people do.

By the way, did you know that Brett Favre made the list of the top 100 Greatest Americans? Jonas Saulk, Ralph Waldo Emerson, and Robert Frost did not. I guess the Packers are great!

Tuesday, July 26, 2005 3:52:00 PM  
Blogger hostile17 quipped...

I don't hate the Pack either, I just wanted to put Chuy in his place because he said my Chargers sucked.
I do agree with one thing he said and that is that I can't wait until football season starts again.

Tuesday, July 26, 2005 5:27:00 PM  

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